Who really KILLED Goliath ?!?!?!?!?!?

Posted: May 18, 2014 in Poetry, Religion, Uncategorized
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davidandGoliathmovie-HisIt’s amazing how we come across a topic. I was simply reading an article that crossed referenced another site, in doing so I came across a movie that will be released in 2015 aptly entitled “David and Goliath”, which is currently being filmed in Morocco.  My personal grievance if you can call it that, is how Christians get upset with a movie like Noah, which they claim got it wrong by not sticking to the script. How outraged are they going to be by this movie not sticking to the script. In my estimation probably not at all. Before I continue, I simply want to say this outright. This is a great story that has great symbolism. The first five books of the bible known as the Pentateuch can not be proven. This is all faith based. Please read this quote before you continue.

“There was a third white destroyer: a missionary who wanted to replace all knowledge of our way with fables even our children laughed at then. We told the white missionary we had such fables too, but kept them for the entertainment of those yet growing up – fables of gods and devils and a supreme being. We told him we knew soft minds needed such illusions, but that when any mind grew among us to adulthood it grew beyond these fables and came to understand that there is indeed a great force in the world, a force spiritual and able to shape the physical universe, but that that force is not something cut off, not something separate from ourselves.It is an energy in us, strongest in our working, breathing, thinking together as one people; weakest when we are scattered, confused, broken into individual, unconnected fragments”. – (Ayi Kwei Armah, quoted in Chapter 2, Religion and Ideology, “Yurugu: An African-Centered Critique of European Cultural Thought and Behaviour”, Marimab Ani, 1996, Africa World Press).

The accuracy of the bible has/is always been sketchy, we are finding more information daily that proves the validity of it’s stories. The first discrepancy we have is Goliath height. He would have been around 6 and half feet tall. This is according which story you choose to use.  Others have said he was between 9 and 10 feet tall. Let us now dig into the bible. Before I continue, a question must be asked. Who wrote the bible? If it was God then he did a bad job of preserving it. You have to bend yourselves into a pretzel simply for it to make sense or you can take the easy way out like most do and believe it by faith.

This the story: 41 And the Philistine came on and drew near to David, with his shield-bearer in front of him. 42 And when the Philistine looked, and saw David, he disdained him; for he was but a youth, ruddy and comely in appearance. 43 And the Philistine said to David, “Am I a dog, that you come to me with sticks?” And the Philistine cursed David by his gods. 44 The Philistine said to David, “Come to me, and I will give your flesh to the birds of the air and to the beasts of the field.” 45 Then David said to the Philistine, “You come to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin; but I come to you in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. 46 This day the Lord will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you down, and cut off your head; and I will give the dead bodies of the host of the Philistines this day to the birds of the air and to the wild beasts of the earth; that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel, 47 and that all this assembly may know that the Lord saves not with sword and spear; for the battle is the Lord’s and he will give you into our hand.”

48 When the Philistine arose and came and drew near to meet David, David ran quickly toward the battle line to meet the Philistine. 49 And David put his hand in his bag and took out a stone, and slung it, and struck the Philistine on his forehead; the stone sank into his forehead, and he fell on his face to the ground.

50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and struck the Philistine, and killed him; there was no sword in the hand of David. 51 Then David ran and stood over the Philistine, and took his sword and drew it out of its sheath, and killed him, and cut off his head with it. When the Philistines saw that their champion was dead, they fled.

1. David did (1 Samuel 17:50) – “Thus David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone, and he struck the Philistine and killed him; but there was no sword in David’s hand.”

2. Elhanan did (2 Sam. 21:19)- “And there was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.”

3. Elhanan killed Lahmi, Goliath brother. (1 Chronicles 20:5) says, “And there was war with the Philistines again, and Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.” This is NOT the correct answer; that Elhanan killed Goliath’s brother.

You can’t have 3 versions of the same story. We can look at other clues as to it wasn’t David who slayed Goliath. Simply read 1Sam 17.

PROBLEMS WITH THE STORY

 

1. Someone else other than David killed Goliath

2. David killed and unarmed man. David allied himself with the philistines while they made war with Saul

3. The name Goliath is used twice in the story, was later added to the story

4. Much of the story of David and Goliath is missing from most of the texts. For further reading check out “The Bible in History by Dr. Bruce Metzger Pg 96-107. These errors are more likely attributed to the scribes. In what Dr. Metzger calls Unintentional changes, errors, faulty eyesight, faulty hearing, of the mind, of judgement, intentional changes, as well as many more.

5. If David found favor in Sauls sight. After David killed Goliath he brought the head of Goliath to Jerusalem 1Sam 17:54. During this time Jerusalem didn’t come into the hands of the Israelite’s until David was King.

6. The version crediting Elhanan, David was already King. Elhanan was a member of Davids elite fighting force(Davids mighty men or the Gibborim).

As I mentined copyist error, KJV surely bares this out. KJV   19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, a Beth-lehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam. RSV 19 And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob; and Elha′nan the son of Ja′are-or′egim, the Bethlehemite, slew Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam. The KJV version, true to form mistranslate “slew the brother Goliath the Gittite”, should read, “Elhanan slew Goliath, not his brother”! “Again” depends on who are you asking. When we look at 1Chron 20:5 the narrative is Jesus will come from the line/linage of David.

Isaiah 11:10 (Tanakh) Isaiah 11:10 (NLT) John 7:42 (NLT)
10 In that day the stock of Jesse that has remained standing shall become a standard to peoples–Nations shall seek His counsel andhis abode shall be honored. 10 In that day the heir to David’s throne
will be a banner of salvation to all the world.  The nations will rally to him,
and the land where he lives will be a glorious place.
42 “For the Scriptures clearly state the  Messiah will be born of the royal line of David, in Bethlehem, the village where King David was born.”

1Chron was written centruries after the verse in 2Sam 21:17, so we wonder how maybe the translation was changed. Around 1 Sam 17:55 this verse is giving credence to David. If David was the killer Saul would have known David was already a favorite in the royal court 1 Sam 16:21-22

CONCLUSION

 As I embarked on this study I didn’t realize the of information written about this particular topic was so vast. The main conclusion or the truth is usually defined by the person telling the story. In reading one of the my commentary’s, I realized chap 21 from 2 Sam is/was completely omitted. I will end this by saying this. The Old Testament is a fairy tale, most likely adapted by English translators. The story of “The Philistine from Gath vs David”, reads like it was copied from Thor throwing A hammer at Hrungnir and striking him in the forehead. In simply dealing with this one story, they’re to many problems that present themselves, from the many versions about the height also who killed the giant. People of faith generally excuss this one or two ways. One, they may say well you’re not a believer or they hit you with the super spiritual. It doesn’t matter cause I know Jesus. That fine and all, but you do have to give and answer to those who may ask. Any who, this is a faith based issue. It doesn’t matter if it’s grounded in truth or fallacy.  Lastly, I heard an interview with the writer/directory. He says he wants to stay to the script, you know, literal translation. That will be difficult since you do not have the original (manu-script).

Written by John the Revelator

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  1. Kent says:

    It is true that the bible has been mistranslated and or changed to the benefit of a certain group of people who were making whatever copy (you name the copy). You are right about there being confusion in the bible as to who killed Goliath, but who is to say, ‘what was truly the first copy of the bible??’ or could the first copy not have been 100% right as we as humans are faulty? We only get more and more questions. God created us all, and loves us all in our own way. When all is said and done, God is God! Everything will be known to everyone. The people who have suffered will be vindicated and rewarded with things that do not ever fade away. This faith has been given to me which allows me to go on on my journey. This faith we have is not meant to be seen, we have it (no one can take it from you) Even when you die, if you expect to die, and that’s it then you have faith in death. If you have faith in something else, you will go on if the faith is found to be just before God who is open to all this children, esp those who have hardships.

    ‘There are many mansions in God’s Kingdom, if it were not so I would not have told you’

    Jesus

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    • John the Revelator says:

      Kent; thank you for reading the article! However I’m confused in or by your response. First you mentioned the bible benefiting a certain group of people. Secondly you speak of confusion of who wrote the bible, and thirdly you go on to mention faith as a certainty. Allow me to answer these, yet briefly. I have to get this out of the way. You say “It is true that the bible has been mistranslated and or changed to the benefit of a certain group of people who were making whatever copy (you name the copy). Refer back to the article and refute the evidence. Go back and reread problem 4. This is problematic, since theirs no proof of who wrote the “letters”; what exactly are you basing your faith on.
      It is true the bible was used to justify a subjugation of a people i.e. “BLACKS”! Let’s take the point further. We’ve heard the saying “he who dies with the most toys win”. Slavery was based on economics. Who ever had the most slaves proved to be the most powerful. England went as far to create a bible which people hold dearly. I’m speaking of the KJV, NKJV, AV, these versions are according to King James, his version. For good measure, we can add the racist Finis Jennings Dake and Scofield. This issue goes much further as well as deeper. 2. My question would be, how did you come to the conclusion of who wrote the bible. Have you read the scholarly works of Bart Ehrman, Bruce Metzger, Michael Coogan, John J. Collins, Gary Greenberg, Thomas B. Tribelhorn. To be fair, some of these men are Christians, they are teachers not preachers. Refer to my article by Bart Ehrman “Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters”. You mention errors within the wholly book. Psalms 138.2 says “he honors his word more than his name”. If that is the case, why aren’t their any original manuscripts except for copies, of copies, of copies, of copies. The bible is book that tries to explain God as others do, in their own way. I’ll leave it at that. If God wanted us to believe his word, he would have done a much better job in preserving his word with better apologists.
      3. Faith simply means trust. Faith is not based fact! I’ll leave it at that.
      My overall point was the title “Who killed really killed Goliath”. Since you left me a scripture that has nothing to do with the believer, I leave you this 2Tim 2:15 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth (and) 2Pet 3:15 15 but in your hearts reverence Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to make a defense to anyone who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence. Continue in your earnest pursuit of truth.

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